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James Seely, attorney for the 18t nct, sent the memo at the Quest of Hsu. The insub- d 'nation charges stem from,e committee's inability to John Riordan furnish the names of three new candidates for the chancellor's post. The screening committee recommended three non-SFCCD employees for the job. The SAN FRANCISCO PROGRESS reported the three candidates as: Marilyn Morissette of Oakland, Richard Lowe of Marin County, and Victor Willits of Salinas. THE PROGRESS also reported that City College administrator Natalie Berg is Hsu's top choice for the vice chancellor's position. Berg is the wife of former Board member Peter Finnigan. OUTRAGED Board member Riordan, outraged at what he called 'a wrecking operation,' has called for the resignation of Hsu.

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'Chancellor Hsu must resign from the Community College voluntarily or the Board should see that this happens,' Riordan ♦ y Co lege; ts hardest hit more uly.' First ice was second enter. Chief he has e area, ess you g each [>p any n very ks and recom- ters be es they n down, to stay geman 4e has intonio Victor as the e San at that (Vngeles der the rer. For the or 20 roing to;in; his!S and ill be krtment r. 'He caring NEW MOVE The latest heat-wave came Tuesday, August 19. At the mummy meeviiii, •»■ ■«■ Community College District's Board of Governors. The Academic Senate declared that the faculty will not cooperate in preparing reports needed to renew City College's accreditation.

'The full-time faculty in the college division voted..to write and submit its own official report,' said Alioto, referrring to documents to be submitted to outside reviewing agencies during the coming year. Board member Amos Brown, citing the need for cooperation between the faculty and the administration, replied that he considered the AS's decision 'sophmoric.' Alioto said she wants the faculty's traditional preogatives in helping select administrators to be restored this fall. She told the Board she had recently received a letter from Hsu'in which he promised to 'do my utmost to turn the situation around.

'The problem here is whether the faculty can believe that such a turn-around will occur,' Alioto said. Evening and Saturday student* mail now buy a permit to park in the North Reservoir JNew parking policy halts free parking By Brian Dinsmore Those days of free parking for evening and weekend students attending City College is how a thing of the past, according to Campus Police Chief Gerald De Girolamo. As of August 18, all students are required to buy parking permits if they want access to the North Reservoir. Day session students have done so for years. According to De Girolamo.

The city of San Francisco plans to charge City College $10,000 rent and the revenues from the parking fees will help to pay the rent, as well as maintenance. The decison to charge all students for parking came out of a board of Governor's meeting last semester. 'The board decided to charge all students out of fairness,' said De Girolamo, adding 'why should some students have to pay and not others.' DECISION The decision to charge City College rent on the North Reservoir had been considered by the Board of Supervisors since last spring, and the decision to charge for campus parking for all students was in anticipation of the Board's final action. Campus police officers began ticketing vehicles parked illegally in and around the college the first day of instruction. The parking regulations apply for the rest of the semester. Students who need parking permits may purchase them from the Associated Students office.

For more information contact the Campus Police, Room 119, Cloud Hall. Butf DeGeralamo said his suggestions went unheaded. 'The_7 ordered the restraints, but a moivth later they were still not in.'

Th« loses will hinder the progress of the engineering department. 'We were hoping to grow to ten work stations by the end of this year, but now were going backwards,' said Common. He said the department will not replace the work stations stolen in July until alarms are installed. DeGeralamo said the alarms woulf be a last suggestion becailse they are very expensive. HIGH CRIME RATE The Police Cheif said 1986 has been a very high year for crimes on campus. 'The computers are getti.ig so popular that we don't know where all of them are,' he said.

We would like to set up a security system for each area. Newfcomputers should not be installed with out the right security system.' DeGeralamo thinks a lot of the thefts are being pulled by people associated with the workings of City College. 'It's a good chance that these were inside jobs because they broke in very quick and knew where the computers wen*' Computers have hot been the onlyexpensive item lifted. Early last § semester the chemistry department was burglarized. Department Chair Alfred Lee A two digital readout balances were stolen. Each were valued at $2,000.

L«te S aid 'It could have been an inside job, but I don't know. They did not touch anything else? Ising plans congestion By Tony Hayes Two studies released in June saw the additional traffic produced by the Balboa Resarvoir housing project due to be under construction by the end of tae year, will not change the flow of fraffic in the area surrounding City College. But a member of the College's police force says that statement is a joke. 'It's bad now and with the additional traffic it's going to be like going from the frying pan into the fire,' says City College Police Sgt. Toe two studies, the Balboa Reservoir and Ocean Avenue Neighborhood transportation studies, were produced by San!• i iin cisco Planning I >e 'pHrtment.

MORE CARS The studies estimate the housing project would add an additional 93 cars to the morning rush hour traffic - traditionally the most congested period. Of those 93 cars according to the studies, 83 would be occupied by people who drive alone.

Access to the new homes will be from Lee Avenue, which lies south of Ocean Avenue. A connection to and from Phelan Avenue is also planned. According to the Planning Department these additions will decrease the number of left turning vechiles at the Ocean and Lee intersections. Bill Witte, the mayors' coordinator for the housing project, says he expects construction to begin on the 203 attached townhouses by the end of this year. 'We are presently having blue prints drafted and are getting the site approved for rezoning from public to residental use.' Continued on bock page By (Gi cis rep exc Hi Frc tra far, out Mi m I B>I Sa Oil be an Di G( CO Rt H fa M & Ra ar 19 ex H ce S( in th in of of e>th a i re A ft.11 w h th H C se 0] 01 ni m m B to bring something in that lifts it again, like video's. Having songs in movies is really helping bring music back in.'

HONEYMOON SUITE has been involved in scoring movies. 'What Does It Take' is their recent effort for the movie 'One Crazy Summer.' According to Lalonde, they will be working on many soundtracks, including one for the fourth coming movie 'Turbo Wrath.' TOURING HONEYMOOD SUITE has been touring since the end of Janurary. They started in Europe opening for SAGA. Then they joined HEART for seven weeks, 38 SPECIAL for six weeks, and they've just finished up a month's tour with ZZ top. Lalonde says the band enjoys touring, but often it gets hectic.

During a recent concert in San Francisco, a knife was thrown at Derry Grehan (the guitarist) cutting him badly. Lalonde says this was the first time something like this has ever happened and he hopes it's the last. However, this will not deter them from touring, he says. HONEYMOON SUITE will be opening some dates for JOURNEY before returing to Canada to do an extensive tour. HONEYMOON SUITE got their start after winning Canada's 'Home Grown' contest with their first Hit 'New Girl Now.'

They are hoping to recreate that winning spirit by winning a contest they've entered in Japan. They hope to be playing some dates while in Japan. HONEYMOON SUITE is a band that deserves its success because they have earned it through hard work.

A-ha style or substance? V By May Taqi-Eddin As they entered a Duran Duran concert almost three years ago, the three principals of a-ha, Morten Harket (vocals), Pal Waaktaar (Guitar) and Mags Furuholem (keyboards), told an uninterested crowd that someday they would be as big as Duran Duran.

Well, that someday has finally arrived. Although a-ha has not yet reached Duran Duran's pinnacle of success, they are clearly on their way to super stardom. Aha allegedly got their big break back in 1983 when a record executive signed them up, not because he thought they were immensely talented, but because of their good looks. A DELIGHT With three musicians backing them up, Norway's pride and joy have embarked on a world-wide tour that swept through the Concord Pavilion on Tuesday, August 19. To the delight of the hoards of frenzied fans, a-ha launched their hour and fifteen minute set with 'Train of Thought,' a cut off their debut album.

'Hunting High and Low.' Though the most visible people in the crowd were the screaming 15-year-olds, a good look around the Pavilion proved the broadness of a-ha's appeal. The crowd dutifully screached with delight every time Morten sang a note or every time Mags did one of his many acrobatic stunts or even at one of Pal's guitar solos. Since aha was already internationally known before ever playing live, it was impossible to book them into small concert halls.

Given their lack of experience in front of a live audience, a-ha did pretty good for their first tour. They did, however, seem a bit naive and confused on stage, but that only seemed to add to their charm. Aha has been accused of being musically slight, but they dispelled any notions of that on stage as they sang such familiar songs as 'The Sun Always Shines On Tv,' 'Hunting High and Low,' and some new songs off their forthcoming album. It seems that a-ha has the essential ingredients of being super stars; good pop music, a good live show and three good looking guys. By May Taqi-Eddin Rock stars come and rock stars go.

Today's rock heroes are tomorrow's has beens. It takes a lot more than talent to have a number one hit. The more unique or innovative a group is, the bet- ter. Such is the case with the BLOW MONKEYS.

Everything about them is intriguing; their style, their music and even their name. What is a blow monkey? According to Antony Kiley, the drummer, 'a blow monkey is slang for a saxaphone player.' The group got their start when Dr. Robert (guitarist, singer, and song writer) met up with Mick Anker (bassist) in London in 1983. Neville Henry (the saxaphone player) and Kiley joined the group to complete the line up. People think that the BLOW MONKEYS are just another overnight sensation.

Most people don't realize that the BLOW MONKEYS had record- ed and released an album prior to their hit album 'Animal Magic.' Their first album, 'Limping For A Generation,' earned them a cult following and critical acclaim, but it did nothing for them on the pop charts. The BLOW MONKEYS were successful in fusing jazz with pop music as evidenced by their top ten hit 'Digging Your Scene.' Their music is jazz- orientated pop music, which is heavily influenced by New York Jazz music, according to Kiley. Kiley joined the group three years ago. Prior to joining the group, Kiley had been playing the drums up and down the Welsh Valleys. The son of a frustrated drummer, Kiley has been a drummer since the tender age of five, and a professional since the age of 16.

Kiley feels that style compliments the music. 'All aspects of style are important. Style is not only the clothes you wear, but also what you do and how vou act.'

The BLOW MONKEYS are positively reeking with style. With their big bowler hats and long overcoats. RECORD RATINGS Blow Monkees - Mick, Nev, Dr. Robert and Tony A controversial issue these days is whether records should or should not be rated. Kiley feels that 'it's unfair to rate a record like they do films. Different people interpret things in different ways. Censorship of music reminds me of censorship of books; it's just plain ridiculous.'

Kiley believes that today's music is receiving a lot of bad press. 'The press are running it down. There's a lot of rubbish going around that today's music is not as good as the old days.

That's not true, there are a lot of good things happening.' These past couple of years have been big ones for benefit concerts from Live Aid to Farm Aid to Amnesty International. Kiley thinks that benefit concerts are wonderful. 'If you are in a position' to influence people in a positive way, then why not.' He feels that it's the primary responsibility of the govern- ments to take care and help it's people. The BLOW MONKEYS were recently involved with 'Help A London Child' which was a benefit to help deprived children. One organization that Kiley fully supports is Amnesty International.

He thinks the cause is great and 'it's one organization that helps all people regardless of race, color or creed. They're dedicated to helping all people not just certain countries.' VIDEO'S 'It's a must to have a good video these days,' said Kiley.

'If there isn't a video to accompany a song, then it's like a part of the song is missing.' He adds they have fun making videos and they even recreated one of their earlier performances for their 'Digging Your Scene' video.

The BLOW MONKEYS are finishing up a tour of the states as we go to press. 'The actual process of touring is quite hard. But it's a thrill to play live.' FUTURE There is a new album in the works for the BLOW MON- KEYS. Half of the new album is already recorded and it will be completed as soon as their tour comes to an end. 'The new album will be along the lines of 'Digging Your Scene.' If people liked that song, then they'll like the new album.

It's morl danceable.' In the future, Kiley would like to 'carry on and progress.' I want to produce young musicians, English musicians.' He adds: 'English musicians! Are less inhibited to try/ something new. American musicians are a bit more afraid to try something new.

They slip into the format of the rock business. I believe that American musicians have a lot to offer.' After the new album there will be another more extensive tour. Look for their new album and tour and maybe you'll be 'digging their scene' too. Con and When basketb historic China 1 they ha globetn setting for th partmei In i abroa Shang China, the B footbal The B-52's games ball respec lenged Stars, 85-86 year'i Calif seasoi two te John wases game Shani The Colleg enact Budw« game site Candl visor I game i CCSF The ventui wome track! The I tooko two-w seven in ten Moi was y blond Also ] activi direc head Japa Fran i In i of th bask* trip.' ] Japai All-S Phys Worn Wc Grao whe Guat and coacl to he 1986 mete Th THE GUARDSMAN HELP WANTED The Guardsman needs a cartoonist, layout assistants and writers.

If you like what you read, get with it and join TheGuurdsmun today! Drop by Bungalow 209, but hurry! ODen that econ wort Grac In weel then racei Lopt natii recoi and one. The clocl Sc expe athl ath cons com decii whei wha Aug. 10, 1986 The Guardsman/5 By Jim De Gregorio Gridders hungry for exciting season and wins in 1986 m. A & Ken Grace Come to CCSF and see the world When the 1985-86 City College basketball team took their historic and memorable trip to China last summer, I am sure they had no idea what kind of globetrotting trend they were setting in taking one gaint step for the CCSF athletic de- partment.

In addition to traveling abroad, CCSF hosted the Shanghai basketball team from China, and will do likewise with the Brighton B-52 Bombers football team. The Shanghai hoopsters and B-52'8 are playing reciprocal games with the CCSF basket- ball and football teams respectively. Shanghai chal- lenged the City College All- Stars, a team made up of mostly 85-86 players, including last year's MVP of the 1986 California JC basketball season, 6-10 Dean Garrett. The two teams battled it out over the John Molinari trophy, which was established in the inaugural game last summer, won by Shanghai 74-70. -The B-52's and the City College Ram football team will enact the second annual Budweiser Trans-Atlantic Bowl game in early October, with the site of the game set for Candlestick Park. The super- visor who pushed for the first game last December, won by CCSF 76-0, was Quinten Kopp.

The most recent global ventures were taken by the women's basketball team, and track and field coach Ken Grace. The Rams donned wings and took off to Japan on July 30 for a two-week tour of the country and several exhibition games of international basketball. Most responsible for the trip was yet another S.F. Supervisor, blonde-haired Louise Renne. Also playing a large hand in the activities were Women's athletic director Tanako Hagiwara, head coach Tom Guisto, and the Japanese Counsolate to San Francisco. In all, the team played a total of three games, and hosted a basketball clinic at the end of the trip.

The games were against the Japan Air Rabbitts, the Kyoto All-Stars, and the Osaka Physical Education College for Women. Women s track coach Ken Grace broaded his horizons when he was invited to Guatemala to host several track and field clinics for the many coaches down there. Also along to help out was Curtice Aaron, a 1986 NorCal Champ in the 1500 meters. The experience was eye- opening to Aaron. 'The learning that Curtice received cultural, economically, and socially is worth a lifetime of classes,' said Grace.

In all, Grace gave a clinic per week for the three weeks he was there, and scheduled several races. One race featured Alberto Lopez Davila, the Guatemalan national champ and current record holder in the 800 meters and Aaron. The race was a close one.

With each runner eclipsing the old record of 1:53.0 by clocking 1:52.8. So with the many world-wide experiences our City College at *u? Te8 have gained, other athletes should carefully consider the advantages of coming to CCSF before they decide to go the CalState wherever or the University of whatmacallit. By Jim De Gregorio Autumn is around, and with the coming of the fall months, it is time to talk football, we are going to talk Ram football.

That's right, the 1986 City College football team has taken the field with plenty of enthusiasum, and they are ready to run wild. With all the headaches the team suffered last season - the 1- 9 record, the England scandal, and the harsh penalties brought down on the 1986 team by the Golden Gate Conference for illegal recruiting it - it would seem reasonable to expect a lack of enthusiam in this year's training camp and double sessions.

Yet, there has been no sign of that so far, and head coach George Rush has maintained that his team will strive for brighter days. 'We have a lot of experience coming back for us,' said Rush. 'Last year could have very easily been a stellar year for us.' I your can remember, the Rams lost several times by a few points in the closing minutes of the game, including 40-37, 16-14, and 26-22 losses to San Mateo.

Laney, and Chabot respectively. Returning starters, nine on offense, and six on defense, and roughly 35 returning lettermen, the Rams have more than enough experience barring injuries. OFFENSE Offensively, City College returns with nine starters from the 1985 team, including three on the front line, three in the backfield, two wide receivers and the team's placekicker. Leading the show for the Rams will be sophomore Tom Martinez at quarterback, freshman Pete Russell at fullback, and Louie Laday and Art Tautalatasi at the tailback position. Martinez is the complete Cinderella story. Playing backup QB in high school Martinez did not see much action, and it appeared to be the same in his first year here at CCSF with the coaching staff understandably high on freshman John Montalbano. Montalbano was Tommy Martinez took over the starting quarterback spot last season, threw for over 1000 yards in five games.

And the type of a quarterback who caught the coaching staffs eye in practice, but failed to play up to par in real battle conditions. As it turned out, Montalbano went down with an injury midway through the 1985 season, and the coaches crossed their fingers and went with Martinez. In his first game, Martinez was 22 of 28 for 262 yards, and a touchdown while throwing only one interception in the team's 28-26 loss to Chabot. Since then, he has been the apple in the coaching eye. Martinez has guts and savvy to run the straight-ahead type of offense that CCSF implements. 'He's a great competitor,' said Rush. 'He has the ability to get the job done.'

Fighting for the backup spot are Ed Bailey and Vince Carter, both sophmores, and freshman Dave Morgan. IMPRESSIVE Laday and Tautalatasi, meanwhile, also caught the eyes of several coaches last season. Both runners are similar in size, but run the ball differently. Laday is a shifty type of runner who catches passes well out of the backfield and Tautalatasi is a combination of the shifty- straight ahead type of runner. Russell is strickly a short yardage man. Bigger that several of the linemen, Russell recently finished a brief baseball career with the St.

Louis Cardinals, who drafted him straight from high school at Sacred Heart. Also sharing time in the backfield will be Eric House, a freshman who redshirted all of last season. 'Eric has some real good talent,' said assistant coach Dan Hayes. Alexander, Laday and Tautalatasi will share Hoopsters Shanghaied to San Francisco By Jim De Gregorio What has twenty-two feet, can eat a ton of chow mein, and probably has a collective I.Q. ■ It's the Shanghai basketball team who were in San Francisco to play series of games in the second annual San Francisco- Shanghai sister city games. The Shanghai hoopsters arrived on Monday, August 18th and stayed at the dorms at the University of San Francisco through last Tuesday the 26th.

During their eight-day visit, the honorable ambassadors played three games, two against the City College All-Stars, and one against the. Upcoming CCSF varsity team, and spent muchof the time sightseeing the wonders of the San Francisco Bay Area. According to press agent Richard Rappaport, items of interest on the team's itinerary included a tour of City Hall, trips to Marine World and Great America, and fine dinning in restaurants such as Neptune's Palace.

LAST YEAR The whole annual rivalry began last year when, now retired CCSF head basketball coach Brad Duggan, embarked on a two-week, five game tour of China. The delegation was headed by S. Supervisor John Molinari, Gordon J. Lau, and columnist Herb Caen. A trophy, named in the honor of Molinari, would be given to the winner of the City College- Shanghai game.

Last year Shanghai beat the Rams 74-70, yet the 1986 rematch was Marcel Gordon (33) «ocs in with tierce determination against the visiting Shanghai hoopsters. Completely different, with CCSF winning convincingly 117-65 at Kezar Pavilion. 'It was the maturity of the players,' said Duggan. 'Last year our team averaged only 18- or-19-years-old per player. This year's All-Star team's average was 24 to 25.' The roster for the Rams included many players from last season's Golden Gate Con- ference (GGC) championship team, such as Dean Garrett, Troy Berry, Edward 'Topper' Allen, and Steve Mcintosh. GAME TWO The second game, played at City College against the CCSF varsity, was a much closer contest, with the young Rams winning 91-86.

It was very pleasing to City's new coach, Dave Robberts. 'We played very good and very hard for a team that hadn't practiced much for the game,' he said. Sophomore Mark Robinson, a 1985-86 all-conference forward, and freshman Marcel Gordon stole the show, with the two scoring 31 and 23 points respectively.

(Robinson also had 16 rebounds). The two players, along with the fine playing of fellow teammate Henry Whitmore, brought Shanghai to its' knees in the fourth quater. Most noteable was Gordon, who scored 11 points in the final eight minutes of play.

'I think City College has a great team,' said Molinari, the proud new owner of a trophy bearing his name. 'I'm looking forward to the trip back to China next year.' Molinari added that the annual games will continue as long as possible. 'It is important for two reasons,' he said. 'One, the young people on both sides are going to be the leaders of tomorrow, and two, going overseas broadens these young peoples' education.'

The final game of the tour was -£' played at Kezar against the All- Stars once again, for the Cathay *■ Pacific Cup. Cathay is the air company who flew the Shanghai team over from Defensive lineman (in stance) work on run defense scheme, bat the big ques- tion will be at linebacker. Kickoff and punt return duties on special teams. As in the backfield, the Rams are deep at the wide receiver spot, and are strong along the line. At the wideouts, will be a Balboa alumni tandem of Gary Meriweather and Andre Alexander.

Alexander started all of last year, while Meriweather, a starter in 1984, is coming back from a season ending injury in 1985. Also expected to see plenty of playing time, is Howard Smith, a sophomore out of Galileo high school. RETURNING The Rams entire left side of the offensive line returns to handle the blocking, with Pat Daly at center, Derrick Jinks at guard, and massive 6-6 280 lb.

Laita Leaitatufu at tackle. With Rick Hayes and Ivan Boswell tabbed as starters at right guard and tackle respectively, the entire front line is composed of sophomores.

Another lineman who will see plenty of action will be Fred Toailoa who doubles as a guard- center. Another ex-Cal graduate, freshman Doug Bracey will start at tight end, while freshmans Yough Laolagi of Oceana and Ken Stewart of Riordan will see some playing time. Handling all the placekicking and punting chores will be sophomore Pat Albrecht, a former All-Bay Area kicker as a senior at Sacred heart. Defense While the Rams defense returns with six starters, a major ques- tion will have to be answered soon at the linebacker position, where City lost all three of last year's starting linebackers to gradua- tion. Running a slight variation of the 4-3 defense with a rover linebacker, CCSF is deep on the defensive line and backfield.

Seven regulars will substitute in and out of the game at defense line. They are sophomores IoSefa To'o, Derrick Freeman, Brian Goodspeed, and Ron Brooks. The remaining three, Hercules Talili, Peni Ahwen, Juan DeGrirw are freshmen. The defensive backfield has plenty of experience too, with free safety Eric Racklin, strong safety Dave Shelton, and Dwight Bailey and James (J.R.) Richards at the corner spots.

All four are sophomores. The backups include Dorian Tailor, Hassan Shannon, James Rodgers and Rod Graham respectively. Now for the big question, who wil come through at linebacker for CCSF. As of now, the starting squad is composed of freshman David Tanuvasa at middle linebacker, sophomores Leroy Palmer and Lacey Foster on the outsides, and freshmen K.C. Mat- tox and John Mixon splitting time at the rover spot. Mixon is a nightly touted prep out of Jeffer- son high school.

Eventually, the best men will emerge. The Rams start the season on September 13 against Solono Junior College. Soccer coach seeks to improve team's lowly status By Tony Hayes Coming off a 1-6-1 season, soccer coach Mitch Palacio didn't get depressed, he just got kicking mad. 'I think we will do really well this year,' Palacio said. 'A lot better then I expected.' To help the team out this year, Palacio said he is counting on several players to have big seasons.

'Mohammed Rashid had a great season last year,' he said. 'We are also hoping for good season from new comers Dan Gomez, Juilo Scrianino, Kiernan O'Konavan and Ricardo Moreno.' BACKGROUND / Palacio started coaching in 1979 at Names College in Oakland where he' was hired to start their athletic program. While at Names he started a men's and women's tennis teams, a soccor team and volleyball unite. In 1984, he was hired at City College where he has taught several physical education classes, including judo, gymnastics, tennis, and soccor. The ever busy Palacio, now has an other item on his agenda, to improve City College's public relations.

He and tennis coach Dan Hayes have started a community tennis tournament, which is held at various times throughout the year. 'I think people come away with a more positive image of the college when they can come in and play in a tournament,' he said.

After being an assistant coach in 1984, Palacio was hired as head coach last year and the team had a disappointing season winning only one game. 'City College used to be a power in soccer, but in recent years we have had our troubles.' This year, Palacio hopes a new style of play will propel the team to greener pastures.

'We will play a more European style of soccer, which is more physical than Spanish-style.' What more would you expect from a man who used to kick people, and win awards for it. R i ♦ City College Fall Sports Calendar Football Saturday, Sept. 13 vs Solano College at Solano, 1:00 p.m. Soccer iThursday.

State (scrimmage), at Belmont, 3:30 p.m. Women's Volleyball f Friday, Sept. 12 vs Hartnell College, at CCSF. { m All games and matches are preseason. I 6/The Guardsman Aug.

1»«* Residents lose campaign to stop housing construction By Tony Hayes Proposition E, which would have put a three-year mora- torium on all construction on the South Balboa Reservoir, lost in June's city -wide election by 15,000 votes. This decision means that plans to build 203 attached row homes on the surplus city land will be underway. Construction is set to begin late this year.

The South Reservoir land has sat dry and vacant since 1954 when the reservoirs were built for surplus water, but they were never used. For the past 20 years the North Reservoir has been used for student parking and will continue to be used for that purpose. In 1984 after the land had been determined surplus, Mayor Dianne Feinstein proposed the land be a site for affordable housing. The Board of Supervisors went along with the Mayor's plan by a 9-2 vote. Proposition E came about when the Sunnyside Neigh- borhood Association said they didn't believe the housing was good for the neighborhood or City College. According to the mayors office, about 30 percent of the homes will be sold to people making $28,000 a year, while others will be offered to people making $42,000. The remainder of the homes will be sold at open market prices.

STUDIES cont. According to Witte, 60 percent of the homes will be sold at a below market rate to low and moderate income families. The remaining 40 percent will be sold at market rate.

ACCIDENTS The planning department studies cite what City College students have known for a long time - the streets around the school are very dangerous. The intersection at Ocean and Phelan is hazardous - 43 auto accidents have occured at that intersection between 1981-85, the studies^ report. Most accidents occured when cars turned left from Ocean onto Phelan. At that intersection you have V cars coming from every angle, for people who aren't familar with intersection it's pretty easy to make a mistake,' says Bacceti. According to the studies, the intersection with the second highest accident rate in 1981-85 was at Geneva and 1-280, where 28 accidents occured. As for the new homes, each will have a one-car garage and there will be an additional 133 driveway parking spaces. PARKING SPACES There will be 152 curbside spaces and any extra curbside spaces could be used by City College students, says the studies.

However, it read 'while this could provide a benifit to the other congested areas, it is a situation that should be monitered.' City College presently has 1,800 parking spaces -- 930 on campus and 870 in the North Reservoir. With 24,000 students and no current plans for a new parking lot, City College certainly has a parking problem.

In its examination of the parking situation at City College, a planning department survey taken over a three-day period in October 1985, found that of the 1,240 legal on-street parking spaces around the City College, there was an occupancy rate of 90 percent from 9 a.m. It also found the north Reservoir filled to 90 percent capacity. TtiE eLARDSMAN HELP WANTED T The Guardsman needs a cartoonist, layout assistants and writers.

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It' s that time again Students take a break in between classes De Geralamo said the balances were commonly used for measuring drugs and cutting cocaine. 'I would suspect them to steal them for the drug use then I would for them to set-up a chemistry lab,' DeGeralamo said. A $300 VCR was also stolen from the Hotel and Restaurant Department offices located in the Alice Statler Library. This crime happened during the summer session. BURGLARIES cont. M Jim Conley, physics depart- ment chair, also reports that a 'few hundred dollars worth of portable circular saws were recently stolen from his department. De Geralamo said the only way these items might be recovered is if they are fenced and someone noticed that they were stolen from City College.) With his department almoa ruined, Common has a fe suggestions for other teache on campus.

'In the future I hot the instructors becomj preventive and aware of the surroundings.' Last semester, a $1,200 vide camera was stolen from th South Gym when some on* broke down a door and ran oif with it, said physical educatio instructor Mitch Palacios.

- There are a variety of hard to come. The Haight is constantly alive with activity: from sidewalk musicians to relics form the sixties, to the well dressed urban professionals who like to walk the streets and remember back.. There is an attitude in the Haight of casualness. As comedian Dana Carvey says: 'Everytime I come into the Haight, some guy wants to give me his car. The guy says, 'here you take it, I'm not using it.'

The Haight went through its earliest meta morphosis in the late fifties when the 'beats' discovered it as a relaxing place to write and compose. Jack Kerouac, Alan Ginsburg and Jack Cassidy all found refuge in the Haight. With the coming of the sixties came a new phase for the Haight. No longer was the area confined to the beat poets and shops in the Haight.

Writers of the fifties. Young people from around the country and around the world flocked to the Haight-Ashbury in an effort to set up communal living in the liberal atomosphere.

Acid tests, flower children, the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane rock groups all came to embody the free-spirited, irreverant, drug and rock era that flourished in the sixties. The end of the Vietnam war spelled the end of the hippie era perse, and the Haight slowly deteriorated into a row of closing shops and rundown homes. For awhile it seemed the entire community of free-spirits and independent hippies had packed up and moved to the suburbs. There were still some hold-outs of that hung on to the ideals of the sixties, but for the most part, the Haight was returned to its long time residents. GENTRIFICATION Little was heard from tbi Haight until the 80's brough with it gentrification. Suddenlj there was a wave of new foun interest in the Haight-Ashburj Some said all the hippies cam back as successful businessmei to stake their claim.

Whatev the reason, the Haigh transformed into a chic stretc of boutiques and fern bars. Gone are the counties headshops that once lined thi street; replaced with gourmei delis and pastry shops. Th* Haight has become a pleasanti not commercialized strip of Sat Francisco. TODAY Walking through the Haigh today, one can not escape th sense of history surrounding it The majority of the businesses may have changed, yet some o the original institutions remain The Dead and Airplane longer keep homes in the area but the music scene is very mud alive. Three clubs offer somel the best in breakthrough musi The flower-children of th sixties have given way to th punk rockers of the eighties, bul no one seems to mind.

It's sti possible to buy acid on the street but its from black kids from thi Western Addition, not a dude it bib overalls named Moon Man The Haight-Ashbury is oneo San Franisco's most uniqu neighborhoods, and is still onl of the most popular places fo residents and tourists alike. Th lifestyles of the past may no remain in the Haight today, bul the Haight remains a relaxed casual neighborhood, wel coming those who seek whatev keeps them 'mellow.' NEXT ISSUE: NORTH BEACrJ The Three Little Pigs & SPCA The Guardsman needs writers.

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2 City College of San Francisco Sept. 1986 Finocchio's and Enrico's typify North Beach nightlife. Communities: North Beach, alive and well By Brian Dinsmore Ask any San Franciscan where the best Italian restaurants are and you get an immediate answer. Ask the native where are the best coffee houses, bakeries, and Old World shops and you get an immediate answer. As a neighborhood, North Beach has lost quite a bit of its Italian population, but the flavor of the area is still very traditional. A walk down Columbus Street fills the nasal senses with the fresh smell of sourdough, which has scented the air for a hundred years. Sicilian men still pass the time on benches surrounding Washington Square.

And at night. North Beach comes alive - - from the bawdiness of Broadway's strip joints to the raucous blues bars of Upper Grant. In fact, North Beach is one of the last 'bad boy' neighborhoods from San Francisco's Barbary Coast days. THE GOLDRUSH Settled during the gold rush period by Italians who came California to make their fortune, North Beach received its name because it truly was the northern tip of San Francisco.

Most of what is now Washington Square and the area north and north east to the bay is land fill. North Beach during the mid- nineteenth century consisted primarily of Telegraph Hill's slopes and pasture land in and around the Broadway area. It was a self-contained community like many in early San Francisco, and most of the Italian settlers rarely left the area for anv reason.

ROBUST ATMOSPHERE The culture of Italy was very much a part of North Beach. Hillside vineyards sprang up to grow the grapes for wine and Columbus St.— looking towards the Tronsamerica Pyramid. Homestyle family restaurants were the mainstay of business for the residents. Soon sailors and dock workers discovered the hearty food and drink to be purchased at a reasonable price and flocked to North Beach. Grocery stores, butcher shops and banks opened to meet the need of the thriving community. One of the early bankers, A.

Giannini, went on to build the largest banking empire in the world, Bank of America. The earthquake and fire of '06 all but destroyed most of North Beach.

Legend has it that the Italian men opened hundreds ot cases of wine and poured it on the roofs of their homes to douse the advancing flames. But the North Beach community was rebuilt bigger than ever, and grew. From, hillside all the way to the bay. Churches were build bigger and more awe inspiring.

Peter and Paul Church is regarded as one of the most beautiful in the country. Meanwhile, throughout the early part of the 20th century North Beach remained an Italian neighborhood. But the Italian families, who for so long worked to make their fortune in North Beach, realized the American dream and were able to move into the affluent suburbs.

With the majority of the Italian population on their way to greener pastures in the north and east bays, Chinese families were more than happy to expand out of the over crowded Chinatown. The grocery stores started carrying more foods geared towards the Chinese and fortune cookie bakeries rplaced a few of the Italian ones. But even with the influx of the new immigrants, North Beach remained an Old World neighborhood. HOT SPOTS In the 1940's Broadway Street was a hot spot of night club life.

Legitimate night clubs. Theaters and restaurants were still geared towards the family. However, in the late fifties the nightclubs started to change towards male entertainment, continued on back page Xepoleas named to Cal SAAC j By A.E. Mihailovsky The City College Student Council recently appointed Michael Xepoleas and Crystal Chan as this year's City College representatives to the California Student Association of Community Colleges (Cal SAAC). This is the second year Xepoleas has represented City College at CalSAAC. CalSAAC is a state-wide organization that lobbies the state legislature, as well as local governments, on behalf of community colleges. According to Xepoleas, he alans to run for president of CalSAAC.

He wants to improve CalSAAC'6 access to local governments, which would improve student life and give students a say in the way their community college is run. STUDENT INPUT At City College, Xepoleas would like to have student trustees elected freely by the student body to the Colleges' Governing Board, where the trustees would have a say in college policy. 'Student trustees are picked by the Governing Board, where they sit with no real power,' said Xepoleas.

He added that the Governing Board can close down the Student Council at any time, under Title 5. Xepoleas would also like to see a mandatory fee and for all students to join the student body. These fees would support clubs and activities for all students. Cal SAAC receives no public support, but is supported by student associations at the community colleges, said Xepoleas.

Such local changes, according to Xepoleas, can be done with the help of CalSAAC. CalSAAC can lobby the state legislature to bring major changes that benefit all community college students. 'Community colleges can be the strongest lobby voice (among California colleges, even to the federal government,' added Xepoleas. Proposition 61 could cut instructor earnings By Brian Dinsmore A controversial initiative proposed for the November ballot could sharply limit the salaries of all California public employees, including City College instructors and administrators, according to campus officials. Proposition 61, the 'Califor- nia Fair Pay Amendment,' was authorized by notorious tax fighter Paul Gann, who along with the late Howard Jarvis, successfully lowered property taxes with Prop. FISCAL IMPACT The amendment, if passed, would increase the salary of the Governor to $80,000 a year. No elected or appointed state or local employee, including those under contract, would be able to earn more than 80% of the Governor's salary (that is, no more than $64,000).

Critics of the initiative claim that if passed, California would lose qualified teachers at the college level. But Gann contends that because the ceiling on salaries would be $64,000 a year, teachers would be less affected. However, the bill bars public employees from carrying over vacation time and sick leave from one calendar year to the next. Critics believe that by prohibiting employees (includ- ing teachers) from accumulating earned sick leave it would encourage absenteeism. EDUCATIONAL CONCERNS State Superintendent of Public Instruction Bill Honig says imposing pay limitations on educational personnel would 'devastate our progress towards excellence in education.' Educators feeling the pinch most by the bill's salary cutting would be the higher paid administrators at the college level. The University of California's Board of Regents, citing the 'devastating' impact the Gann amendment would have, voted to oppose the amendment.

Community College Chan- cellor Hilary Hsu, who also opposes the measure, says that if passed, 'teacher's salaries will be a confused mess.' Hsu adds: 'There is a possibility it will pass because ot voter unawareness and a large portion of the voters seem to be fiercely conservative. But in the long run, I think it will hurt them.' The bill, in it's simplest form, is intended to limit salaries that Gann thinks are excessive.

It also limits other benefits, including sick leave and pensions. The bill will require a two-thirds roll-call vote of the State Legislature to raise the salaries of any official. It will require elected officials to get voter approval in order to vote themselves a pay raise. OBITUARY: Carter Baum dies l By Brian Dinsmore Carter Baum who taught biology at City College for 23 years, died suddenly August 25.

Baum helped found the Association of Classified Employees here at City College, and twice served as its president. Baum was supervisor of the biology lab storeroom, and supervised lab assistants in the department. Biology Chairperson, Elaine Johnson, who taught with Baum, said that he provided individualized instruction to disadvantaged students and waB very helpful to both faculty and students. 'He will be missed, by both faculty and students,' said Johnson. The Association of Classified Employees has set up a service scholarship in Baum's name, contributions should go to the City College Foundation-Carter Baum Memorial Box 230. OTHER REACTION Those on the other side say the bill is so complicated it will take both time and money to resolve all it's intricasies in the courts. Cal-Tax, a non-partisan, non- profit corporation, analyzed the bill calling it.

'unworkable, poorly drafted, counter- productive to good public management, and could cost California taxpayers much more than it ever might save in cutting and freezing salaries.' Newly appointed San Francisco Attorney Louise Renne, who as a Supervisor helped draft a resolution opposing the bill, calls the Gann initiative 'very destructive, and not at all realistic,' adding, 'I think it's a very chaotic kind of initiative, not a very well thought out initiative, and I think it will create masB chaos.' Renne also says the initiative would hurt City College. 'I think it will have a devastating affect. The impact on Community Colleges will be the same as on governments up and down the state. People will retire early, and there is a question mark as to whether or not individual sick pay and retirement pay is adversly affected.

There could obviously be a real problem there.' Student Union finally belongs to students. Administration vacates Student Union By Harry Teague 'This is a permanent change The administration no longer will be in the Student Union ever,' said the acting dean of student activities Renato Larin, in reference to the transition of the administration from the Student Union.

Tomtom Map Meta Keygen there. As a result, this semester course registration took place in the cafeteria. Driscoll, regis- tration supervisor, said the transition was proceeding smoothly. 'Considering what we went through to get in here and opening up in a new facility, the registration process turned out to be one of the best. And people cooperated - that was the beautiful part about it.' Although Driscoll said each semester would present new problems, he was confident that they could be handled. 'When spring comes, food service will be operating - that will present some problems.

But we will face them one at a time and pick them up.' CONTROL OF STUDENT UNION Far more perplexing diffi- culties confront the Associated Student Council as they attempt to wrestle with the question of how to encourage particiaption in the Union. One of the major difficulties confronting the Council is the much needed refurbishing of the Student Union. Dean Larin said his first priority was to 'put five different requisitions to have this place cleaned because it was a disaster -- and still is a disaster as far as I'm concerned.' Dean Larin's goal is to encourage all clubs, organ- izations, and departments, to fully utilize the Union. In a memorandum to all department chairpersons, the dean requested for. 'Students and faculty to use the Student Union Building for lectures, presen- tations, meetings, workshops, performances or any other activity' The president of the Student Council, Jack Lee, sees the Student Union being refur- bished in three phases.

'The first phase would be repainting and recarpeting the Student Union, both the upper and lower levels.' Phase two and three would entail 'the installation of video games, ping pong tables and entertainment items.' However, Lee said because the priority is to physically renovate the building this semester, the other plans would be completed later. Lee said he hopes for greater student involvement in the Student Union. 'We need people to make things happen and we don't have people.

If the responsibility falls only on a few of us, I don't see how anything can be done.' LACK OF FUNDING The most distressing problem facing the Council is the limited funding for the Student Union. The Council last year allocated $11,550 with $2,000 allocated to hire an assistant architect to submit plans to remodel the upper level. Michael Xepoleas, a former member of the Council, said unless funding is dramatically increased from the present $10,000 -- $11,000 level, it could enceivably take 15-20 years for the Student Union to be completely refurbished.

Xepoleas said a 'laundry list' of projects for the Union that would cost over $300,000. Some $20,000 would go for recarpe- ting $100,000 for the Martin Luther King, Jr. Restrooms, and $150,000 to paint and steam blast the exterior.

However, Rouanne Bloom- garden, an associated students member, challenged the estimate saying: 'What this person is forgetting is that we do have options for making revenue. For example, if we get in the coffee shop, we're going to have revenue from that - it won! Be a lot, but it will be enough that maybe in two years we can afford the carpet.' 2/THE GUARDSMAN Sept. 11-25, 1986 Drugs no cure-all It all started with athlete Len Bias' death. Even with the media's concerted effort to protect the good-guy image of Bias after his cocaine-related death, this perennial social problem of abusing illicit drugs and controlled substances is once more very much a public concern.

There are no well-documented figures to indicate more prevalent drug use, but the present interest may well be a positive indication that we have had enough of these senseless losses of lives. Too many opinions have been put forth trying to explain why one becomes hooked on drugs.

Peer pressure, isolation curiosity and idle time certainly are significant causes, but the decision to continue is ultimately that of an individual. A society that is both affluent and competitive will never be able to pat each of its members on the back, nor will it manage to meet everyone's expectations. Knowing that life is not a neverending honeymoon, we personally have to maintain our sense of self-worth to find beneficial ways of spending time, to have the courage enough to say no to drugs, and to do our share to influence younger people away from this menace.

We are against the media's irresponsible reporting of Bias death. We understand their desire to project a wholesome youth in the charismatic Bias. But if there is one thing to derive i from this tragedy, it is that cocaine, heroin, and other drugs do kill - blind ot their victim's talent, social status or personality. Hopefully, the current concern will not ebb until we have had true progress in the battle against drug abuse. To this end, we mu9t sup- port the people who wage meritorious campaigns to wage war against drugs and drug traffickers, being careful not to compromise our rights in the process.

Len Bias was on top of the world when he died; now we are one talent poorer, and cut is the branch that might have grown full straight. How now, Academic Senate? They're at it again. The City College full-time faculty fired the latest salvo in its war against the San Francisco Community College District (SFCCD) administration by deciding to go on its own and not to serve in any district nor divisional committees tor next year's SFCCD formal accreditation process. In the past several months, this feud has taken turns from being amusing to being comical to being downright silly. Consider: a) The Academic Senate voted to censure District Chancellor Hillary Hsu and City College President Carlos B.

You've got to be kidding me. You've heard of The Swinging Laurels before??

Anyway, yes, they were the ones who provided the brass instrumentation on this song and three of them are shown on the video. This is getting to be, like, weird. And YES, directed by Midge Ure, which is why the very same Steve Strange puppet from the 'Mind Of A Toy' video was also evident in this particular video. And -- eh, it's okay. You can't like everything someone does, not even if the two are certifiable geniuses. (Yes, yes, some of you may disagree, esp when it comes to Mr. Ure.) ―, Sunday, 7 January 2007 08:16 (ten years ago).

Holy crap, PiL's performance of 'Careering' on the Old Grey Whistle Test? Did you know that it was that chaotic mime performance PiL did at around the same time on 'American Bandstand' that got me to purchasing Second Edition in the first place? It was right around the time VH1 were airing reruns of AB episodes and I remember very well being shocked when I heard they were going to be on that program and then transfixed as the performance took place. One key memory from that that I will always have from it was having that New Wave boy with all those buttons trying gamely to attract John Lydon's attention while he did his robotic dance. I wonder where he is now. Anyway, back to OGWT -- that was SUPERB. I'm adding it to my favorites now.

―, Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:56 (ten years ago). Re: XTC -- this guy has a whole concert chopped up in his videos (lots of Drums and Wires stuff), and here's 'Scissor Man' -- -- and good lord, all of them are really exciting, especially in terms of being reminded how good these guys were in terms of instrumental skill. It's even better if you know these songs well: e.g., above and beyond Dave Gregory's incredible lead on 'Scissor Man,' Colin and Andy start throwing in vocal and guitar harmonies that aren't on the recorded version. Same goes for D.G.'

S lead embellishments on 'Helicopter.' ―, Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:27 (ten years ago). And yeah the PIL American Bandstand thing.' Poptones' followed by 'Careering' - I haven't watched that in a year or two but looking at it again I mean how is it that no one stopped him/them? It's so surreal.

He invites all the kids up into the audience, refuses to mime the words but runs around with a great big smile on his face.and then there's the problem of the music, which couldn't really be less commercial or family-friendly.Isn't 'Poptones' about getting raped in the woods? How did some American TV producer allow them to get away with all that? You really expect the authorities to stop it at any time! How many parents heard their kids watching that and said 'Turn down that racket!!!' ―, Sunday, 7 January 2007 23:50 (ten years ago). Bimbler: Apparently Dick Clark really liked that PiL performance, so much so that he ranked it as one of the top ten moments in AB history. Combine that with his extremely lengthy professional partnership history with ABC and his overall reputation as one of America's beloved personalities and I'm sure his approval quashed any possibly nervous producer's/programmer's ideas of editing out or censuring.

Plus, the AB kids appeared to be having a great time during at least the 'Careering' segment, when they were all invited back to the dance floor to dance. As for how they got on the program in the first place: I don't know. Maybe the AB kids had some input on what got put on the show; if so, perhaps that New Wave boy requested PiL. It was apparent he was a fan. And maybe Dick Clark allowed it because he wanted to have the program stay relevant.

That program covered a huge variety of musical artists; Squeeze, Devo, and the Talking Heads also appeared on the program. Back to videos. OH, and you guys should check out everything Rubellan carries. Really impressive list. ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 01:28 (ten years ago). That Haysi Fantayzee clip. I made a comment on it five months ago: 'The camera action when the video zooms in on at first the planet, then that aerial picture of London, and then the top of the chessboard, and the camera rotates back to a normal position, is still one of my five favorite moments in a music video EVER.

And I love this song dearly, yes I do. And I imagine virtually every teenaged boy in the early '80s had a crush on this girl. But yeah, I first saw it on VH1's 'The Big '80s' and it was one of THE highlights of that program for me. ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 03:18 (ten years ago). You know, for an embarrassingly long time I was confused between EBN-OZN's 'AEIOU Sometimes Y' and Freeez's 'AEIOU'. I knew those were two separate songs, but I had a hard time remembering which song was which. Funny how those two songs centered on the vowels were released at about the same time.

But yeah, it is SO ace to have 'AEIOU Sometimes Y' on here. This is one of the first New Wave songs I was ever aware of, which is why I suppose I was so confused -- when you're thirteen things confuse you more easily -- so this is kinda getting back to my NW roots. And they did also play this on the same local disco programs that Freeez's song appeared on. RIP Ned Liben. ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 03:25 (ten years ago).

Oh my God, the Wire mention reminded me to post the video footage of Gang Of Four's performance on the concert film Urgh! I finally saw it early one morning maybe a month ago on VH1 Classic and this was the very moment I nearly squealed loud enough to wake up the neighborhood. I mean, 'He'd Send In The Army', man: And Bimbler, glad you like the Fingerprintz video. I'm wondering if they made any for any songs from their first album, The Very Dab. That album's my favorite of theirs. ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 03:33 (ten years ago).

And GO4 just RULE anyway. And I'm a big defender of Jon King's vocals. Another of my favorite artists, Language, utilized Jon King's sister Debbie on backup vocals; the frontman of that group, Steven Hale, was a member of a pre-Language group that featured Debbie on lead vocals and with a single produced by Jon King. So interesting link there. OH, and I think you'd LOVE The Very Dab, Bimbler, as it's more post-punk.

It's actually kinda dark IMO, though maybe that's because two of the songs on it are about murder ('Fingerprince' and 'Wet Job'). ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 04:12 (ten years ago). Tim Scott was a hottie. I had no idea. I mean, you can't accurately judge attractiveness based on just what you hear in a song, but I wouldn't have been surprised had he turned out to be Stan Ridgway's doppleganger-with-glasses. The fact that he appears to be total Star Hits pinup material is.

How did his career not become red-hot then? Oh yes, Bimbler, you should give The Very Dab a try. You're welcome re: Freeez. And as for Language -- check your inbox in thirty minutes, hon. Haikunym, as long as they're not boring trad-rock type stuff, I'd be fine with it. ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 04:38 (ten years ago). >'Yes and I wanted to mention that Eddie & The Hot Rods are about as post punk/new wave as George W.

Bush is an honest man. -- Good Warlock of the West (), January 8th, 2007.'

But they were awesome uh,'77 Brit pubrock or something.I love 'Do anything you wanna do.' What a catchy song. It has me getting nostalgic for the days when I saw Pigbag, and Kid Creole, and Pylon and played and heard this stuff on my local university radio station. ―, Monday, 8 January 2007 05:57 (ten years ago). *is revived again by the sheer delightfulness of the '80s* To refresh everyone's memory, here's Split Enz with 'One Step Ahead', featuring those genetically blessed Finn brothers (hubba hubba): Grace Jones is too cool for words, Beth. I actually watched A View To A Kill (not liking Bond movies but deciding on this one because of who wrote the theme tune LIKE THAT'S A SURPRISE TO ANYONE) through the end because of Jones's costarring turn in the film.

Ooh, Joe Jackson. I love that song.

―, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 02:05 (ten years ago). OMG, does Junior's 'Mama Used To Say' count here??

*squeal* Another Language connection -- Bob Carter, who produced that single and I believe played the keyboards too, was the keyboards player and original producer for that Language project (asked by Mr. Hale to join because of his work with Junior, actually), until the record company (A&M) sorta demanded a poppier production, at which point Alan Shacklock was brought in and Carter was put back as 'just' the keyboardist. ―, Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:31 (ten years ago). OH YES, THE SWINGERS. I have to post two videos relating to the band featuring the crazy Phil Judd (the ex-Split Enz guy): 'Counting The Beat', which is so incredibly catchy OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE THIS VIDEO: 'It Ain't What You Dance, It's The Way You Dance It', which is one of my favorite songs and one of the songs I cannot get enough of.

This song is A LOT of fun to sing along with. And I'm sorry I missed out on that Industry thread.

It would have been so cool to participate in. They are one of my favorite groups and it's so neat to know that little Jon Carin is doing really, really well these days. ―, Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:19 (ten years ago). The searching for threads here is horrible. I'm fed up with looking for that Industry thread.

I already spent a considerable amount of time looking for the Simply Red thread I started a few months ago (I'm a big fan of their first album Picture Book). I welcome anyone to come along and be a smart arse and say essentially 'Oh! Bimble you're so stupid it's so easy - can't you figure it out?

Here are the threads you looked so hard for. I can find them easily and hee hee! That must mean I'm way cooler than you! And really, you're just not cool anyway, in fact we've decided you're not with the 'in crowd' of ILX.'

Because I know that is exactly what will happen. If people need that shit to feel special in their lives then you know, they're welcome to it. I'll just bow out and put on my headphones and play PIL or something. I thought this was a music board, not a place to assert one's elitist superiority. But since I keep getting looked down the nose at by snobby people here, that must mean I'm threateningly cool in my own right, eh? That's the way I see it anyway.

So where are those damn threads then? ―, Sunday, 14 January 2007 03:46 (ten years ago). Bimbler, I don't think anyone should take you to task for not being able to find what you want on the search page. Google can be shit when it comes to searching within a particular site for something.

And if someone's going to give you that much attitude just for a little tiny search problem, they'd reveal their loserdom, don't you think? Have you been having problems here in the first place? The Blue Nile is sweet. Thanks for the linkage.

And I had to link those two videos because I *heart* those songs and thought it'd be nice to highlight them. ―, Sunday, 14 January 2007 04:47 (ten years ago). Actually, that Zoogz Rift thing Ellison posted is way cool. The vocals on that remind me of one of my favourite post punk bands, the Spherical Objects from Manchester. They are far too obscure to be on You Tube, though.:( Phoenix how are you tonight?

I've got too much music to listen to and even Ultravox videos where Peter Saville is explaining how he designed their sleeves, only his hair looks so pitifully 80's! I mean you really feel sorry for how dated that man's hair is in this documentary thing I've got.

So.we already posted Ultravox on this thread didn't we? Holy shit I don't think we have. I'll leave the honors to you. ―, Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:34 (ten years ago). I'm doing pretty decently tonight, thanks.

I'm just flitting about here and there as my attentions are pulled numerous places. How about you? I love having too much music to get into. It makes life feel livelier. I know, I have to get a life.

OMG, I have to see that Peter Saville footage. I love '80s stylings, so maybe I'd be, like, 'Dude looks cool, what are you talking about?' I'm going to have to track down again some Midge Ure interview footage on ver YouTube -- the guy's actually quite funny in a self-deprecating way. And he has a sexy Scottish accent to boot. *laugh* Yes, yes, it's always about the hormones with me.;) Anyway, here you go. God, so much new stuff to check out, thanks guys.

But I must confess I'm on a real goth trip tonight. The kind of stuff I've been playing isn't on You Tube, I'm sorry. Death In June 'The Calling'.the first two Fra Lippo Lippi albums.they were from Norway (does anyone know them??? I haven't listened to them in over 20 years, their earlier stuff was very Joy Division/Crispy Ambulance/Factory territory.) Did I mention Death In June - 'Rain of Despair'? Now that is some funky ass dance music!!! Anyway special shout out to Tim for 'Only The Stones Remain', and I am definitely going to check out that Human Switchboard soon.

As soon as I can stop shaking my arse to Death In June's Rain of Despair. ―, Sunday, 14 January 2007 07:58 (ten years ago). No I'm sorry there's no substitute for Death In June's 'Nada!' Album.forget it.

Atmospheric gloom & doom with electronic dance music, what else could you ask for? Accept no substitutes, for they recycled that material again and again for years. Anyway I'm off topic again. I promise I will find a new You Tube thing to post very soon. Only please, let's not bring up Sisters of Mercy.

I just don't think they sound near as good now as they did then. They've not dated well. Just my opinion. ―, Sunday, 14 January 2007 08:08 (ten years ago). This band Vision posted by Scott - do they have albums? I would defnitely like to hear more of them. Also Krisma get mega bonus points just for the fact that they are so WEIRD!

However now I am still playing Fra Lippo Lippi with quiet piano to boot. They were incredible before a major label corrupted them. This album I'm playing now (with spare piano, because Skot loves Eluvium) is called 'Small Mercies'.

Christ if you can't find it on SxxxK then I shall have to rip it from vinyl myself. I love gloomy doomy new wave, folks. Plesae send me all your gloomy doomy new wave stuff I love it. I NEED the gloomy doomy stuff, please send it to me.

By email if necessary. ―, Monday, 15 January 2007 02:11 (ten years ago). Bim: re the PIL Bandstand thing. Apparently, they arrived as surly punks, moaning and swearing, but the guy had said 'look, don't threaten me! If you want to do something, just ask and as long as it's not putting anyone in danger, we should be able to do it' Which was why he seemed so happy between the two songs.

See, what was the alternative? They were miming something fairly unmimeable, and even if they could have, it would have made a fairly boring spectacle. As it was, veryone danced to the danceable beat, the band enjoyed it and the vibe was umm chilled out to say the least.

A shame it took nearly 30 years after the event for me to actually see it properly, but hooray for seeing it now. ―, Monday, 15 January 2007 02:31 (ten years ago). My ideas of what would be acceptable for this thread keep on getting disproven. I really should've gotten to The Mood first -- I'm a huge fan of theirs (maybe because they WERE Yorkshire's answer to Duran Duran) but I never thought in a million years anyone would approve of a video of theirs being posted here, er, or enjoy it. Fuck, I'm so flummoxed I'm actually cursing.

And I don't give a damn anymore about what not to post -- here are some of my favorites that I don't think I've seen posted here: DAF, 'Der Raeuber Und Der Prinz' Icehouse, 'We Can Get Together' Level 42, 'Micro Kid' Fashion, 'Move On' Strange Advance, 'We Run' Corey Hart, 'Eurasian Eyes' Spandau Ballet, 'The Freeze' F-Systems, 'People' (this band was from Austin) ―, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:36 (ten years ago). Yeah, actually I was going to say.whoever posted that Icehouse one awhile back the self titled one, that was pretty good.:). Maybe I should search to see if YouTube carry any of the videos from closer to the middle of the decade. I have 'No Promises' and 'Hey Little Girl' mpgs on my HD but I'd always assumed they were already uploaded, so perhaps I'm right. I tried to get into the Mood a few years ago, just didn't work. Could it be because they were very synthy and NuRo?

I think if you're a hardcore NuRo maniac you'd get into The Mood. I think the test would probably be 'Passion In Dark Rooms' -- if you can't get into that, then The Mood are very much not for you.

I really gotta sober up now and go to bed, you guys. Aw, don't quit. Quitting's for quitters.;) But yeah, I don't know where to begin on this thread anymore either. But still I'm going to watch that Kajagoogoo video of course. *huge-ass grin* ―, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:55 (ten years ago). I thought fay ray would be up chuck's alley, but he refuses to tell me if he is a fan. He's probably looking for rare holly & the italians live footage.

Actually, I went to bed right after I posted Juice Newton and Dave Edmunds. But nope, believe it or not, I never even heard of Fay Ray before - I need to check those videos out. And I'd already checked for Holly and the Italians vids last week (after finding a copy of their album for $4 in Greenpoint last month!), but no such luck. ―, Monday, 15 January 2007 13:11 (ten years ago). But it is TAFFY, not Fanny!

Wow, I never knew there were any Live Skull songs with a girl singing on them. I admit that is an impressive song. Haven't heard much Live Skull then! Marnie sings on tracks in the early days, then for their final 3 releases (Dusted, Positraction, Snuffer EP), ex Dangerous Birds/Uzi future Come vocalist Thalia Zedek took over vocal duties, and she's brilliant. Although 5-D is my favorite song, I think Positraction is a more consistently interesting album. It's a very psychedelic take on NYC noise-rock and is pretty wonderful. ―, Saturday, 27 January 2007 12:49 (ten years ago).

See how much more work that took? See how unnecessary? It's that cherry candy, baby.

And frankly I don't want to hear that the people who run this board are going to ban me because for god's sake I've already found it impossible to post sometimes in the afternoons, so if this is where it's all going, then why not just go ahead and ban me completely, right now, just to get it over with? And remember Grimly Fiendish is a good friend of mine. ―, Sunday, 11 March 2007 00:18 (ten years ago).