Hello Loopy, Did you prefer PianoTeq over other sampled libraries merely because of its playability, or was there something else? Also, do you use any sampled piano libraries or has PianoTeq replaced all of them for you? Thank you, NelsonI like Pianoteq because of the playability and the quite frankly the sound as well as the ability to tweak literally every single note. There is no one library that has replaced the others I have owned or continue to own. It depends upon the style of music and so forth. So far my current collection consists of: PianoTeq 5.8 with D4, Bluthner, Steinway B, Grotrian (newest one) and most of the older instruments.
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Everything but classical. I like Pianoteq because of the playability and the quite frankly the sound as well as the ability to tweak literally every single note. There is no one library that has replaced the others I have owned or continue to own. It depends upon the style of music and so forth. So far my current collection consists of: PianoTeq 5.8 with D4, Bluthner, Steinway B, Grotrian (newest one) and most of the older instruments. Ivory with everything they make including American D but none of the uprights though.
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Hello Loopy, Thank you for the input. Out of curiosity, what library of the ones that you own would you say is best suited for hard rock (and possibly pop)? Also, of all the libraries you're currently using, which two would be your most used? Thank you, NelsonMy favorite piano to use for hard rock is XLN Audio's upright thought that's not a kontakt instrument.
You asked what kontakt pianos I would recommend and I can tell you the definitive collection from Native Instruments is great. I've demoed it but I currently own The Giant, Alicia's Keys, and 8dio 1969 Grand Piano. They're all really excellent. Hello Loopy, Thank you for the input. Out of curiosity, what library of the ones that you own would you say is best suited for hard rock (and possibly pop)? Also, of all the libraries you're currently using, which two would be your most used?
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Thank you, NelsonMy two most used would be Pianoteq and Ivory American D. If you are looking for a piano that sits well in a mix playing a supporting role for hard rock you probably don't need the higher end offerings. What you get for your money is playability and a more realistic sounding instrument.
Things like half pedaling, each note being sampled at more velocities and so forth. Pianoteq is modeled BTW so no samples there Something like XLN Addicitve Keys would probably do well. The upright has a nice bite to it and sits well in a mix IMHO. I would listen to the demos and pick your poison. My two most used would be Pianoteq and Ivory American D. If you are looking for a piano that sits well in a mix playing a supporting role for hard rock you probably don't need the higher end offerings. What you get for your money is playability and a more realistic sounding instrument.
Things like half pedaling, each note being sampled at more velocities and so forth. Pianoteq is modeled BTW so no samples there Something like XLN Addicitve Keys would probably do well. The upright has a nice bite to it and sits well in a mix IMHO.
I would listen to the demos and pick your poison.Hello Loopy, Thank you for the suggestion, I'll seriously look into XLN's Addictive Keys. Can I assume from your previous comment that PianoTeq is unnecessary for something like rock or hard rock? The thing is, if PianoTeq really is that good, I don't see why it would hurt to just purchase it and be done with it (as quite a few people hold it in high regard). That said, I do understand that depending on the sound of the piano, it may not sit well in a mix (depending on what the mix consists of - ex. Distorted guitars). Regarding PianoTeq, I was wondering what your thoughts were on the other instruments modeled by it? In other words, do the electric piano, xylophone, harp, etc packs sound as good as Moddart's standard piano instrument packs?
What about their free instruments (ex. Bells and Carillons, Church Bells, etc), do they also sound good (in comparison to something from Native Instruments)? If so, PianoTeq might be worth it as there's a ton of free stuff (alongside with what many would consider one of the top piano modeler plugins). I don't mind spending the money (especially with PianoTeq Pro being 30% off until Cyber Monday) if its worth it. In other words, though it may be overkill to use something like PianoTeq in a rock song, as long as it sounds good, it doesn't matter to me. Apologies for all the questions. Thank you, Nelson.
Hello Loopy, Thank you for the suggestion, I'll seriously look into XLN's Addictive Keys. Can I assume from your previous comment that PianoTeq is unnecessary for something like rock or hard rock? The thing is, if PianoTeq really is that good, I don't see why it would hurt to just purchase it and be done with it (as quite a few people hold it in high regard). That said, I do understand that depending on the sound of the piano, it may not sit well in a mix (depending on what the mix consists of - ex. Distorted guitars). Regarding PianoTeq, I was wondering what your thoughts were on the other instruments modeled by it? In other words, do the electric piano, xylophone, harp, etc packs sound as good as Moddart's standard piano instrument packs?
What about their free instruments (ex. Bells and Carillons, Church Bells, etc), do they also sound good (in comparison to something from Native Instruments)? If so, PianoTeq might be worth it as there's a ton of free stuff (alongside with what many would consider one of the top piano modeler plugins). I don't mind spending the money (especially with PianoTeq Pro being 30% off until Cyber Monday) if its worth it. In other words, though it may be overkill to use something like PianoTeq in a rock song, as long as it sounds good, it doesn't matter to me. Apologies for all the questions. Thank you, NelsonTry the demo here.
Try the demo here: Hello Loopy, To be completely honest with you, demos can be a little deceiving. For instance, I've heard some use complain on the forums about PianoTeq. In one particular instance, after the user complaining about PianoTeq went to the PianoWorld forums, it turned out what they didn't like about PianoTeq was some setting (I forget which) which was turned on by default. Once they disabled the setting, they felt much better about PianoTeq (whereas before that, they hated it). So simply trying a demo without fully understanding how to use the software, can be a bit problematic. Furthermore, the sale on PianoTeq ends tomorrow. Lastly, I'd also have to try out the other piano libraries you mentioned as well (as well as make sure that they were properly set up).
So really, I have very little time to make a decision. With someone like yourself, with all your experience, I'd imagine it'd be a lot easier to say whether something like PianoTeq would work in a rock mix or not. Keep in mind that these are just opinions, so I'm not taking your opinion as the end all be all, but sometimes it can be worthwhile to get the opinions of people who have used software for many years, as they've learned the ins and outs of software as well as the pros and the cons. I'm just trying to make an informed decision in as little time as possible, as I have pretty much today to decide on whether to go ahead with the purchase or not. Thanks once again, Nelson. Hello Loopy, To be completely honest with you, demos can be a little deceiving.
For instance, I've heard some use complain on the forums about PianoTeq. In one particular instance, after the user complaining about PianoTeq went to the PianoWorld forums, it turned out what they didn't like about PianoTeq was some setting (I forget which) which was turned on by default. Once they disabled the setting, they felt much better about PianoTeq (whereas before that, they hated it). So simply trying a demo without fully understanding how to use the software, can be a bit problematic. Furthermore, the sale on PianoTeq ends tomorrow.
Lastly, I'd also have to try out the other piano libraries you mentioned as well (as well as make sure that they were properly set up). So really, I have very little time to make a decision. With someone like yourself, with all your experience, I'd imagine it'd be a lot easier to say whether something like PianoTeq would work in a rock mix or not.
Keep in mind that these are just opinions, so I'm not taking your opinion as the end all be all, but sometimes it can be worthwhile to get the opinions of people who have used software for many years, as they've learned the ins and outs of software as well as the pros and the cons. I'm just trying to make an informed decision in as little time as possible, as I have pretty much today to decide on whether to go ahead with the purchase or not. Thanks once again, NelsonTough call. Some manufacturers do a better job with defaults and presets than others. I would say overall Ivory sets the bar and Pianoteq is a very close second. For classical I would give Pianoteq the nod. But that's me.
Other people love Alicia Keys piano and having used it I would say it sits in a mix very well but playability and realisim as a jazz piano suffers IMHO. Some people like ToonTrack's pianos. I think they suck. That's just me though. And likewise some people hate PianoTeq and Ivory and certain characteristics of each program aggravate them which is why they don't like them. Pianoteq has a somewhat unfounded reputation for being a trained classical pianists only VSTi.
I would say it does lean that way but with all the settings you can customize you can make it sound literally like anything you want. Vienna Imperial is another one with that reputation. I would start with the demo of whatever you can download and move things around even if you don't know what you are doing. Just play around. The basic sound and playability of each product will still shine through no matter what your settings are.
IOW, you can't put lipstick on a pig and make it a beauty. Are you a real pianist or do you plunk things out? No insult intended. I'm a guitar plunker myself.
Autoturn Keygens there. If you purchase the right Kontakt libraries you don't actually need to buy Kontakt at all. Soundiron Emotional Piano for example, currently on sale for $89 and it includes Kontakt Player for free.
There is also Wavefactory's new Mercury piano, but it is a bit more expensive. It includes Kontakt Player too. And the Rhodes 73 and Wurlitzer 200A from Sonic Couture. Don't get me wrong - Kontakt is a great application, but if you are only planning on using it for specific instruments rather than digging into sampling, you can actually avoid buying it all together. Some manufacturers do a better job with defaults and presets than others. I would say overall Ivory sets the bar and Pianoteq is a very close second.
For classical I would give Pianoteq the nod. But that's me. Other people love Alicia Keys piano and having used it I would say it sits in a mix very well but playability and realisim as a jazz piano suffers IMHO.
Some people like ToonTrack's pianos. I think they suck. That's just me though.
And likewise some people hate PianoTeq and Ivory and certain characteristics of each program aggravate them which is why they don't like them. Pianoteq has a somewhat unfounded reputation for being a trained classical pianists only VSTi. I would say it does lean that way but with all the settings you can customize you can make it sound literally like anything you want. Vienna Imperial is another one with that reputation. I would start with the demo of whatever you can download and move things around even if you don't know what you are doing. Just play around.
The basic sound and playability of each product will still shine through no matter what your settings are. IOW, you can't put lipstick on a pig and make it a beauty.
Are you a real pianist or do you plunk things out? No insult intended. I'm a guitar plunker myself Hello Loopy, Thank you for the additional insight. I am not a real pianist.
I'm really just a guitarist and drummer who occasionally uses pianos in some of my songs. Furthermore, I don't tend to play anything technical / fast when I do use pianos in my songs. I do more holding of chords (when using a piano) rather than quickly going from note to note.
Thank you once again, Nelson. If you purchase the right Kontakt libraries you don't actually need to buy Kontakt at all.
Soundiron Emotional Piano for example, currently on sale for $89 and it includes Kontakt Player for free. There is also Wavefactory's new Mercury piano, but it is a bit more expensive. It includes Kontakt Player too. And the Rhodes 73 and Wurlitzer 200A from Sonic Couture. Don't get me wrong - Kontakt is a great application, but if you are only planning on using it for specific instruments rather than digging into sampling, you can actually avoid buying it all together.Hello LDStudios, Thank you very much for bringing up Kontakt Player, as I was hoping I could purchase some Kontakt libraries without having to put down the $400.00 for Player or 600 for Komplete. Out of curiosity, would you happen to know of any good: 1. Church Organs, 2.
Orchestral 4. Electric Pianos.that are compatible with Kontakt Player?
Thank you very much, Nelson. Thank you very much for bringing up Kontakt Player, as I was hoping I could purchase some Kontakt libraries without having to put down the $400.00 for Player or 600 for Komplete. Out of curiosity, would you happen to know of any good: 1. Church Organs, 2. Orchestral 4.
Electric Pianos.that are compatible with Kontakt Player? I know i'm not the person you asked on this but i thought you would like to know on some of these that i do know about. First i'll post all of the companies i know of to better get you to find your samples. Kontakt has a ton of support, there might be too many libraries to be honest out there. Hope you find the right ones for you. 8dio Cinesamples Native Instruments Spitfire Audio Orchestral Tools Audiobro Embertone For strings - Spitfire Audio - Electric Pianos I knew of a great sounding pack but can't remember the name i'll have to look around. I know i'm not the person you asked on this but i thought you would like to know on some of these that i do know about.
First i'll post all of the companies i know of to better get you to find your samples. Kontakt has a ton of support, there might be too many libraries to be honest out there. Hope you find the right ones for you. 8dio Cinesamples Native Instruments Spitfire Audio Orchestral Tools Audiobro Embertone For strings - Spitfire Audio - Electric Pianos I knew of a great sounding pack but can't remember the name i'll have to look aroundHello Popa2Caps, Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you for the company names, links and information. Hello LDStudios, Thank you very much for bringing up Kontakt Player, as I was hoping I could purchase some Kontakt libraries without having to put down the $400.00 for Player or 600 for Komplete. Out of curiosity, would you happen to know of any good: 1.
Church Organs, 2. Orchestral 4. Electric Pianos.that are compatible with Kontakt Player? Thank you very much, Nelson Kontakt Player is always free - it only works with sample libraries that have licensed it from Native Instruments though. If you check the system requirements for any of the libraries you are interested in they usually mention if they are compatible with Kontakt Player. If they say they require the full version of Kontakt then they won't work with/don't include Kontakt Player. I don't have a lot of experience with some of those sounds, but Soniccouture EP73 deconstructed and Broken Wurli would be my choice for electric pianos.
I don't really use Kontakt based libraries at all for strings. I use a few Vienna Symponic Libraries (VSL) for strings which also include their own plugin/application to use them. You don't need to buy an additional application or plugin to use them. If you really want to get fancy, check out VSL Vienna Imperial piano. It has a whooping 1200 samples per piano key.
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